{"id":37208,"date":"2019-08-07T21:32:10","date_gmt":"2019-08-07T21:32:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/?p=37208"},"modified":"2019-08-07T21:32:10","modified_gmt":"2019-08-07T21:32:10","slug":"which-starter-fits-a-ford-small-block-t5-tko-conversion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/which-starter-fits-a-ford-small-block-t5-tko-conversion\/","title":{"rendered":"Which Starter fits a Ford Small Block T5\/TKO Conversion?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div align=\"center\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\" width=\"200\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/mm5\/graphics\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/M-11000-B51.gif\" width=\"149\" height=\"116\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" height=\"16\"><b><span style=\"font-size: xx-small;\">Ford Racing HighTorque Mini-Starter<\/span><\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"intro\">Which starter to use is a common question and a common source of frustration for people doing a T5 or TKX conversion behind a Ford Small Block.\u00a0 The difficulty with this is the misinformation in some literature and from the starter manufacturers themselves.\u00a0 It was and still is, very common to read that you need a starter for a manual transmission (M\/T).<\/p>\n<p class=\"normal\">What really matters is the flywheel size being used.Small block Fords (260, 289,302,351w, 351c, 5.0L) can accept either the 157-tooth or the 164-tooth flywheel and corresponding bell housing.Early Mustangs were mostly 157-tooth, but some were 164-tooth wheels used in other Fords and trucks.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>Identifying a 157 tooth Flywheel from a 164 Tooth Flywheel<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #808080;\"><strong>If your current flywheel is still in the vehicle, remove the starter and look inside.<\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><strong style=\"color: #808080;\">If you see the ring gear &amp; the teeth it is a 164-tooth FW.<\/strong><\/li>\n<li><strong style=\"color: #808080;\">If all you see are the teeth then it is a 157-tooth FW.<\/strong><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"normal\">157-tooth flywheels in front of both the automatic (A\/T) and the manual transmission used the same starter.\u00a0 This same starter was also used with the 164-tooth automatic transmission.\u00a0 It is only the 164-tooth in front of a manual trans which used a different starter (3\/8&#8243; depth).\u00a0 It is this starter that people end up with which gives them grief.The local parts store may call out this starter as the starter of choice for a &#8220;manual&#8221; transmission.\u00a0 This doesn&#8217;t take into consideration of a changed or different flywheel.<\/p>\n<p class=\"normal\">So it is best to specify a starter for an &#8220;automatic&#8221; transmission as you will be using a 157-tooth flywheel in the majority of T5\/TKX conversions.\u00a0 If you are using original bell housing and it is for a 164-tooth flywheel then you will need the 3\/8&#8243; depth starter (see chart).<\/p>\n<h3>The Details<\/h3>\n<p class=\"normal\">As seen in Powermaster&#8217;s\u00a0<i>&#8220;<a title=\"PowerMaster Ford Starter Tech Bulletin\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/mm5\/graphics\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/Ford-depth-Rev-06_30_2010.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ford Starter Tech Bulletin&#8221;<\/a><\/i>\u00a0there are 2 critical dimensions, the diameter of the registration hole, and the depth of the ring gear.<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table id=\"AutoNumber1\" border=\"1\" width=\"80%\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"16\"><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"16\"><b>Ring Gear Depth<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"16\"><b>Registration Diameter<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"34\"><b>164 tooth, M\/T<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"34\">3\/8&#8243;<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"34\">4.130&#8243;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"32\"><b>164 tooth A\/T157 tooth M\/T &amp; A\/T<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"32\">3\/4&#8243;<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"32\">4.084&#8243;<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p><\/div>\n<p class=\"normal\">So what are our recommendations?<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table id=\"AutoNumber2\" border=\"1\" width=\"80%\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"32\"><b>Starters<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"32\"><b>157 tooth M\/T &amp; A\/T164 tooth A\/T<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"32\"><b>164 tooth M\/T<\/b><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"32\"><b>Ford Racing High Torque<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"32\">M-11000-B51<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"32\">M-11000-MT164<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"36\"><b>Power Master<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"36\">3124\/9162\/9103\/9603\/9503\/9403<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"36\">9604\/9504\/9403<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"38\"><b>Tilton<\/b><\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"33%\" height=\"38\">54-10013<\/td>\n<td align=\"center\" width=\"34%\" height=\"38\">54-10018<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p><\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"left\">\n<p align=\"left\"><b>MORE INFO<\/b><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Additional information:<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"\/the-many-different-faces-of-the-t5\/\">History of the T5<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/tremec-t-5\/\">More information on T5&#8217;s<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.tremec.com\/anexos\/TRSM-T5-0510-R1_173.pdf\">T5 Service manual<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/tremec-t-45\/\">T-45<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/tremec-t-5\/\">T-5<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/product-category\/transmissions\/\">T-56<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/tremec-tko-transmissions\/\">TKO<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/tremec-tr-3550\/\">TR-3550<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #3366ff;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #3366ff;\" href=\"https:\/\/www.moderndriveline.com\/resources\/product-category\/transmissions\/\">TR-3650<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr \/>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; 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